Neal Foulds – The Big Interview
Newcomers to snooker could be forgiven for being more familiar with Neal Foulds as one of the game’s leading commentators but next week the former world number three will be in action on the table once again as he takes on Dene O’Kane at the 2011 World Seniors Championship in Peterborough.
Click below to read part one of my recent chat with Neal in which he looks ahead to that event, as well as back at his professional career…
PSB: Hi Neal, so it is eight years since you last hung up your cue but next month you will be back in action again at the 2011 World Seniors Championship. How did that come about?
Neal Foulds: I have played snooker all my life, from a young age. When I grew up I was 12 and Jimmy White was 13 so we go back that far playing over at a club in Neasden. Jimmy lived on the other side of London but he used to come over, not necessarily to play with me but I used to rub shoulders with him.
So when I had decided that I’d had enough of the game then I was more than happy to put the cue away and move on to other things. I was only 39 years of age so I didn’t feel that I was too old to do other things outside of playing because snooker was all that I had ever known. There was not only the commentary but a few other things such as horse racing, another sport which I enjoy.
Obviously it has suited players like Mike Hallett or Tony Knowles to play on the Challenge Tour but it didn’t suit me. I knew that when I put my cue away that would be it and it has been it. Alright I am playing in the seniors, but I’ve got no real interest in the practice side of things.
I was asked though if I would play in it and I got the invite so I thought why not? Whether I will regret it afterwards remains to be seen really, it depends how I play.
PSB: I remember you saying as well that your cue has just sat there with the same tip on it since when you last played?
NF: It has, although I must admit I have played three times since my retirement. I had a game last Wednesday week, I had a game with a pal of mine that I work with and I had a game with a guy that I used to coach and after about seven or eight frames the tip fell to pieces, it had just crumbled away so I had to put a new tip on, so I have got a new tip on now!
So yeah I have probably played I should think 25 frames of snooker since I’ve packed up and that has all been in the last couple of weeks so I’m not exactly the most dedicated of all time at the moment! But I am enjoying it, I’ve not had a century break yet, hopefully that will come.
I saw on Twitter that Joe Johnson should have made a 147 the other day and Jimmy White made five centuries in a match so good luck to them, they are ahead of me!
PSB: It’s funny, when I saw Jimmy play against Tony Drago when they opened up the main table at the South West Snooker Academy it was phenomenal the way he played. It just shows you how different it is in competition to an exhibition doesn’t it?
NF: It does actually, he is still very capable is Jimmy there is no doubt about that, he has still got all of the shots but I think that half of snooker is mental and if you lose that sort of confidence, that edge of superiority that you can get, then you haven’t got a lot left.
All that Jimmy lacks at the moment is something that he never used to lack and that’s confidence. He actually lacks that now and it’s just an age thing isn’t it? The older you get, your ego sort of shrivels up a bit and you don’t expect it. I know one thing, Jimmy White at his best can still play snooker not far off what he did years ago but it doesn’t happen very often now. It’s there in there but it’s just a question of it will come out there sometime and it will cause a bit of damage, but it will probably disappear as quickly as it comes.
PSB: Very true. Going back to your practice, how have you found it? Is it like riding a bike or has been hard to get back into?
NF: Not bad. The first time I played I was pretty woeful but I’ve not played too badly since. I don’t think that it would take me too long to get back to the standard that I was playing at the end but the fact is the standard that I was playing at the end was the reason I retired. I can still play to a good level but not high enough to compete.
The fact is if I packed it in eight and a half years ago because I wasn’t able to win, eight and a half years without a game isn’t going to make me a better player. That would make no sense otherwise everyone would be doing it wouldn’t they!
I love the game and I love watching and commentating on the game, but from a playing side of it I have had my share of that and I am happy to sit and watch the others.
But as I say I’ve taken up the challenge. I don’t hold out a lot of hope but we shall see! I’ll try my best, that’s all you can do really.
PSB: What do you think of the event as a whole now? Obviously the age limit has gone up to 45…
NF: You know what I think the age limit should be 50, that’s my belief. It would exclude me and a few others because I don’t think that it should be for main tour players, but if you can still be on the main tour at 50 then you deserve it.
In golf I think the age limit is 50 as I understand it from Phil Yates anyway and in snooker it should be 50 and over. The standard might not be that high but I am a believer that is right and it should be set.
You had players in it last year who were old enough and now they are a year older they are too young to be in it which is a bit unfortunate. I know what Barry was trying to do; he was trying to get a few of the old fogies out of their zimmer frames and playing again so I think that 50 would be a good age.
Next year the likes of Jimmy White, Steve Davis would be eligible, Mike would be eligible, Knowlesy, Dennis Taylor…these are the guys that they are trying to encourage.
I think that any of the players like Ken Doherty or Dave Harold have got a busy enough season so they can take a week off while the seniors are on I would have thought.
PSB: So Dene O’Kane first up, what are your memories of playing him back in the day?
NF: We used to practice a lot together. I think that we played in Junior Pot Black many years ago when I was about 17, 18 years of age so 30-odd years ago. I’ve known Dene that long.
He used to come into the club in Ealing which we used to practice at and we would play quite a lot. We used to try hard for a small amount of money, maybe a fiver or a tenner. It wasn’t the money but the handing over of the money that would have hurt! We played the odd match against each other along the way but not that many.
Whoever wins it matters not to me. It’s about resuming old friendships really, that’s the nice part. I was disappointed that Alain Robidoux has had to pull out because he has had some kind of operation but he is someone that I used to be very fond of as well and it will take you back for a while. It’s more the meeting up with old pals and seeing them again, that’s how it should be treated. There will be one or two players with big intentions to win it; I would have thought tour players would be the only ones in contention to win it…
PSB: Ah that was going to be my next question, obviously a lot of people have been tipping up Darren Morgan as a dark horse…
NF: I think Darren can still play a bit but he’s probably a few points behind the others. In short frames Darren will still be a determined so and so, he’s another nice bloke who I have known for years.
I think Mike Hallett to be honest was a little bit unfortunate to draw him as looking at the scoring for that match it looked fit for a main tour match. I think Hallett made a 60-odd break in the last frame and Morgan cleared up so the standard they played at was in a different league to anyone else in the qualifiers I should think.
The method of selecting players wasn’t really that clear. To be honest with you if I had been excluded or made to qualify or whatever then it wouldn’t have bothered me. Surely this is mostly a bit of fun isn’t it? There is enough serious snooker taking place at the moment. The right time for this to be taking place would probably be at Christmas actually, during that time of year when anything goes.
PSB: Looking at the other players you have got Karl Townsend and Steve Ventham involved…
NF: Yeah Steve Ventham played in Junior Pot Black, I think he beat Stephen Hendry in that as a junior player. I haven’t heard of Steve though in 20 years, he was a very, very good junior player he really was. He wasn’t quite Ronnie O’Sullivan but he was an exceptional junior player. I believe he turned professional but he didn’t do anything as a pro. It’s weird; he has gone from being a good junior to becoming a senior player with nothing in between. It’s bizarre really!
As for Karl Townsend, I have known him since he was a little kid. I’m surprised that he is over 45; he must be on the borderline just about. He’s a good league player from London and I also know his brother Wayne who too was a professional.
Karl is playing exactly the same standard now as he has all his life really so I don’t think that he will have great designs on winning it and yeah the general public will know nothing of him, but I know him really well and I’m pleased for him.
Each match is a different kind of game really and for the two guys who will be, him and Ventham…while I suspect there will be a few wisecracks in the other matches, that one will actually be a very serious match so they can double their money and go from there. That’s an odd match really in the context of the rest of the tournament.
PSB: What’s the prize money structure like there?
NF: I think it doubles up and goes from a thousand to a couple of grand for winning your first match I think so you never know. In best of 3’s anything can happen so someone like that might be looking to pick up a bit of prize money. I do feel that from Barry Hearn’s point of view perhaps he would have liked to have had Mike Hallett in there or even Tony Chappell but you can’t have everything. The only way you could do that would be to seed the qualifiers and maybe he will do that in the future to avoid someone like Hallett missing out which is a little bit unfortunate if I’m honest.
But what can you do, Barry is all for sexing the game up, open draws, timed clocks…you have just got to take the rough with the smooth. Sometimes it works out and other times it doesn’t.
PSB: Like you say, Morgan against Hallett was probably the worst draw wasn’t it?
NF: It probably was, they were probably the best two players in qualifying although Gary Wilkinson would have something to say about that.
PSB: Looking back on your career you were one of the lucky or unlucky people to be playing in both of the Davis-Hendry eras really, what was it like to be a top professional during that time?
NF: As you say I was lucky and unlucky, it’s a good way of putting it really as I suppose I was lucky enough to play with the two arguably great players of the game.
I grew up through the Davis era. My best ever period of play really was probably leading up to the final of the UK Championship in 1986 where I had some great results. I’d knocked out Cliff Thorburn easily, I’d beaten Jimmy White, I had beaten John Parrott in the semi-finals comfortably and then in the final I ran into Steve Davis over two days which the UK final was and he strangled the life out of me, beat me 16-7. I had started off by winning the first two or three frames and things were going well but then he just got to grips with me and put me firmly in my place as they say. I was a top player then but he was better.
So I went through the Davis era and then I went through the early days of Hendry. I played him aged 16 in the Mercantile Classic and beat him 5-4. I didn’t realise how good he was. He had beaten Silvino Francisco in the previous round and I was pleased that he had got through rather than Silvino thinking that I was better off playing Hendry but I soon realised how wrong I was. I managed to beat him 5-4 and had to make one of the best breaks of my life in the deciding frame to do so. Probably the last time I beat him to be honest, he beat me a lot of times after that!
I’m probably as qualified as anyone to decide who the greater player of the two was. I don’t know the answer but I played them both during their peaks. That was the era that I played snooker in.
PSB: John Parrott was another around at that sort of time wasn’t he?
NF: He would have been in exactly the same boat yeah. I’ve known John since we toured Zimbabwe as amateur players aged 17 and we played in the British juniors and all those sorts of things.
The reason John’s game lasted longer than mine did is that his cue action was a bit more solid than mine; it had a bit more longevity. When I had run out of steam after 12-14 years, John was still hitting them through the middle of the ball five or six years on so that would be why John did better than me generally speaking. There was a spell when there wasn’t a great deal between us though.
PSB: Who would you say were the top players that you played during that era, other than obviously Hendry and Davis?
NF: Obviously there are the two that we know about, Hendry and Davis were tough. But there were other players that played it tough, Cliff Thorburn was extremely tough to beat.
The next toughest player though I would say is one who is often forgotten about, he was obviously invited to the seniors and is one of the greatest players of all-time and is Terry Griffiths.
He beat me twice at the Crucible and he was extremely tough to beat. He was tight and played things slow, though he could actually play quicker if he wanted to. I think I saw him win the Scottish Langs Supreme or one of those invitationals where he had enough of playing so he was almost running around the table, so he could do it.
Terry was supremely talented and a good friend of mine off the table, but hard as nails on it so if you could name someone that people have forgotten, he was one of the great players, one of the toughest and one of the guys I respect most both as a player and a commentator.
PSB: At the Crucible he kept running into Davis every year didn’t he?
NF: Yeah he had a shocking record against Davis. I played him twice at the Crucible and he beat me both times and that was when I was quite pleased with how I was playing, so the answer to that one is probably the Griff!
PSB: Early 90’s you had your class of ’91 coming through so to speak, such as Peter Ebdon, John Higgins, Ken Doherty, Alan McManus…
NF: Yeah I didn’t have too many battles with Ebdon but McManus was a tough player that I had a very average record against. He beat me a lot and he was one of these guys who you felt that he was going to be the inexperienced player, a bit like Stephen Lee really in that you would play him and expect to out-think him and beat him on tactics and find that the one thing they could do is tie you up in knots.
The reason that happened is that snooker was so watched on the television that there was an era before that were nobody really watched top class snooker being played and everyone used to go for all of the pots. Then though there was a breed of players that came through who were tactically astute having watched top class snooker for years. They had learned it from watching others so immediately they had an all-round game from the outset.
PSB: How would you say you felt about your achievements as a whole, obviously got to world number three, won a ranking title and a number of invitationals…
NF: I think that my best achievement was coming back really. I had dropped out of the top 16, went down to number 20 and everyone had written me off, said that I must have had off-table issues, and nobody had ever really come back from there at that stage. Players now like Joe Swail had done that but I was on the way out, had gone off the bottom of the page for a year.
But I got myself up to being in the top eight in the world again, top five two years later and sometimes it is forgotten that I did that and that I stayed in the top 16 for a couple of more seasons. It was a bit like Mark Williams but not quite as dramatic in that I didn’t drop down as far as Mark and I didn’t go up as high as Mark but I feel that maybe having got a second go at it having felt like I was going to be stuck in the qualifiers for the rest of your life, I maybe did enjoy it more. I did win in Dubai during that time as well as the Scottish Masters.
I had only won the one ranking tournament but I went on a bit longer than I think people remember me for really which while it doesn’t really matter that people thought that it was the end of me after 1987, I did make a comeback and I was a more rounded character on and off the table after that.
PSB: And obviously at the time you were part of the Matchroom mob, Barry Hearn’s stable at the time, how was that experience?
NF: Yeah it was good. I mean there is no way of dressing this up, I was meant to be with Barry for five years but we ended the contract amicably a year early. I could say it was the best experience of my life but the fact remains is that it didn’t necessarily work out for either of us.
However we never, ever had a fall out over it, we were always friends and I think he’s one of the great guys in the game. I enjoy seeing Barry, he always asks me how my mum and dad are and he is almost an old family friend.
But the fact is we had a five year contract which I ended a year early because on both counts it didn’t work out, but it was completely amicable and I have great memories of touring the world with Barry with Matchroom friends and so on, so I have no regrets really. But the fact is it could have gone on longer than it did.
PSB: As we all know, Barry Hearn is now back in the game and making his presence known. What do you think of the changes that have come in during the past 18 months?
Neal Foulds: I think that the changes are all good really, I’ve noticed a little bit of dissent recently, the comments from O’Sullivan and Maguire that have been reported and without going into it, the expressions that they have used are a little bit dramatic for people playing snooker.
But I think that Barry is a shrewd cookie. He knows what he is doing and he is looking at what he has got worldwide. He has got all of the PTCs, he is taking tournaments around the world and I think that maybe at the end of this season he has got plans on jettisoning the ones that are no good and keeping the ones that are.
Take Poland, that was a success and maybe that will turn into a fully fledged ranking tournament. Maybe Killarney in Ireland will be a full ranking tournament and then the PTCs will disappear, but at the moment he is putting things out there, seeing which ones are popular and which ones are not.
You can be sure of one thing, anything that is not successful Barry will kick into touch so I think that the players at least owe him a bit of time and nobody has got to play in these events. I think that he has got players off their backsides playing matches again and they are finding out where snooker is popular and where it’s not.
Germany has been a massive success; other places in Europe clearly are doing very well. The Australian experience I suppose was a success, there was a lot of support in that so I think that we could have the death of the PTCs and big tournaments in more of the places that five years ago nobody even knew that they liked snooker in.
PSB: I think that one thing is that obviously they have got this contract for the Academy in Sheffield. To me they don’t bring anything to the sport as to be successful they have to promote the game to the fans which they can’t do as there are no fans in there but again they are making the best of a bad situation with the contract…
NF: Well that’s it, he had no choice but to use the Academy. I am sure that it is a nice enough venue but it is probably more suited to the secondary tour like a results factory really to see who will be on the tour next year.
I don’t think that you are selling the likes of Ronnie O’Sullivan and Judd Trump and Mark Williams and all of these exciting players very well by playing in front of nobody. Crondon Park was a success in its own way but that was a one off.
It has not worked out well but listen, Barry will not persist with something…he won’t be too concerned what players say about it as that has never been a worry, he will do the right thing for the game and anyone that criticises Barry for what he has done to snooker must have forgotten what it was like before.
PSB: It’s not that long since it was six events is it?
NF: No, I think he is doing a good job and I think that the players do owe the game a little bit. The top players are thinking about their own cause and I think that they should be promoting the game and most do to be fair.
There are the odd few here and there that have their own interests at heart and I don’t actually include O’Sullivan in that because he is a great entertainer and what he says does create interest in the game.
He actually gives the game a lot more and we accept a few rash remarks that he hasn’t thought about in the same way that we accepted Alex Higgins for what he was for what he brought to the game. People stop to watch Ronnie play so I think that we can allow him the odd indiscretion.
PSB: Interesting on the subject of Alex Higgins there is a good book out on him at the moment, I don’t know if you have read any of it but it’s interesting for me as someone who wasn’t around during his era…
NF: Yeah, my big breakthrough was beating Alex Higgins in Sheffield, 10-9 in the first round back in 1984 when I was a first season qualifier and I beat him the year after he had won the UK and it was my biggest win ever.
I must admit he was the most charismatic bloke the game ever had, but I couldn’t sit here and tell you that I always found him engaging company because he could be quite hostile at times to be around, most people would tell you that. But we forgave him for his sins because he helped to put snooker on the map.
PSB: Moving on to the state of the game now, obviously at the UK Championship final you had Higgins and Williams, as it was ten years ago. Those two are still at the top of the tree, how much longer do you think that will be the case, obviously Selby has got to number one…
NF: I think that both Higgins and Williams, while they are both playing some of the best snooker of their lives and have been for the past two years, are getting dangerously close to an age where players do start to reach a slight decline and usually once you see a player approach 40, though those two are not there yet, then you have seen a player at his best.
Many thought years ago in Ray Reardon’s era people that a snooker player was at his peak in his mid-30’s but of course that was laughed at when Jimmy White came along and Stephen Hendry. I am starting to think though that it may be the time when you are at your time of being the most well-rounded, but unfortunately it can go and at the moment John Higgins hasn’t made the best start to the new season.
Last year was very stressful for Higgins in a number of ways, with extreme lows and in amongst it some great highs and I think that this season is going to be a tough one for him to just gather himself together and think about the game again because a lot has gone on during the last 12 months for him.
As far as Mark is concerned, as long as he can prove that he has got over losing the Shanghai final where…he lost his rag let’s be honest, he has not been quite the same player since in my opinion.
Until both players play in the UK Championship which they have both played well in, the jury is out as to whether they are still the same players. I suspect though that they will be at their best by then.
PSB: How long do you think it will be until Mark Selby makes a breakthrough and wins a UK or a World Championship; obviously he has won the Masters twice and Shanghai…
NF: I’ve always felt that Selby is the model professional really in a lot of ways, he probably fits that bill along with Shaun Murphy, though even more so in Selby’s case. Murphy was always a natural really, at 15 he turned pro, he has the Rolls Royce cue action which is the cliché that everyone uses I know.
But with Selby he had a ridiculously wayward cue action and he had talent but he has rebuilt all of that. He is very hard-working and he probably should have won more ranking events. I don’t know how he has not done better at Sheffield since he reached the final as he loves the game and it hurts him when he loses.
If he keeps doing the right thing I would be amazed if his day didn’t come. He showed signs in that Shanghai final of missing the odd very important ball but I’ve got no real worries about him. He’s hard-working, he’s a good pro, he seems to enjoy himself enough, he’s a bit of a wise-cracker as we all know and is someone that I admire a lot of the relatively newer players. He’s not a youngster but he is from the era after the Higgins, Williams and O’Sullivan.
PSB: Is there anyone else at the moment that you are tipping to make a breakthrough, be it in the top 16 or lower down such as Jack Lisowski or Michael White or anyone else you have an eye on?
NF: Well, not really, obviously Michael White you could talk about for a long time, he has struggled to live up to the hype, he was only a kid when he won the world amateur wasn’t he? He hasn’t quite fulfilled his potential yet at this time.
Jack Lisowski, what a great kid he is. We all know that he went through health issues at a time when we had lost one or two snooker players through illness and he has overcome his so I don’t think that he is going to take anything for granted in life. He has got a lovely mother and father who are good snooker people so I would really like to see him come through.
He’s a good kid and a really good player so he would be a real prospect in the Judd Trump mould and we all know how long it has taken him to hit the heights. Nothing comes quickly when you have got players in qualifiers who are very tough to beat who are looking to know you off your perch a little bit you know.
PSB: Did it surprise you a little how long it took Judd to come again after he made it to the Crucible for the first time back in 2007?
NF: Yeah it took him a while but winning the China Open just gave him that confidence there and he turned into a person at Sheffield who was just brimming with confidence. He’ll be fine.
A lot of people made reference to the fact that this summer after Sheffield he bought a flash car and people were saying hang on a minute, he has not got a few quid behind him, is he still going to be as driven as he was? I think he’ll be absolutely fine.
PSB: I think like someone said at the time, if you can’t enjoy yourself after making the world final then when can you enjoy yourself?
NF: Well that’s absolutely right, I agree with that so hopefully he’ll just stay very confident, he’s a nice kid and his dad is a nice guy. He has got the right people behind him and that’s what you have got to look at sometimes.
PSB: Yeah I like his dad, I got to know him a bit at the Crucible this year, he’s a nice guy isn’t he?
NF: Yeah, he’s got people around him who have their feet on the ground.
PSB: Moving on to your commentary career, how long have you been doing that now?
NF: It’s about ten years, Sky gave me a breakthrough and I’ll always be grateful to them. I love working for Sky, I have great fun and I’ve had good times with the Beeb as well.
People say nice things but the one thing that I do think is important is that you must never forget how difficult the game is. Once you forget how difficult the game is then your comments aren’t going to be that realistic you know. If you think that the game becomes easier when you have not played for eight or nine years then that’s a myth and that’s when your commentary can somehow go a little bit haywire.
PSB: I think speaking from what I’ve heard, it helps in your case perhaps that you are from a slightly later generation than a number of the other commentators and that maybe people can relate to that…
NF: Yeah maybe, I was from a slightly later generation. Let’s be honest a few of the guys get stick in the commentary but I love all of their anecdotal stuff. I’m a snooker fan and I love hearing it and none of the guys take themselves that seriously.
They get stick a few of them but I guess getting stick at least people know you. If you sit on the fence and don’t say anything ever then people will soon get bored with you. You are there to offer an opinion and that’s what it’s all about and if you fail to do that then you are not really the job you are being asked to when you are asked to commentate and give your views on a match.
PSB: I think that what some have to bear in mind is that obviously you have to cater for different audiences, some of whom might not necessarily watch snooker 24/7 and tune in to all of the tournaments…
NF: Yeah absolutely, I completely agree with that.
PSB: On a related note, what do you think to the introduction of the live streaming?
NF: I think that it has been very good. All that people have wanted to do is watch snooker and I think that where it will come in handy is that final qualifier for Sheffield. That is the time when you see the highs and lows of the game really.
I remember playing in that match and I remember winning and feeling absolute elation once I had dropped outside of the 16, getting the chance to play at Sheffield again or being knocked out and not getting that chance. That is a match that you desperately want to win.
The fact is to watch that, it is a real crunch game and it’s a bit like the football play-offs. It’s not quite as dramatic as that but to play at Sheffield is the way you want your season to end so to watch those matches on the streaming is what you want to see as a blood thirsty snooker fan!
PSB: Yeah last season the interest on Twitter when I was giving updates from there was incredible.
NF: I know and now people are going to have the chance to see them which has got to be good. I can remember one year I beat Chris Small of all people, it must have been the most awful match to watch 10-9 to qualify and we were the last off but we had got to the point where there was so much at stake.
I lost 10-9 one year as well and that is the utter highs and lows of the game to me really – that’s what it’s all about. You can watch that yourself and form your own opinion but the streaming will be very good for that.
PSB: Finally, how do you see the Premier League and the UK Championship tournaments shaping up in terms of a winner?
NF: As far as the Premier League is concerned I’m not sure whether the system is better or worse than it was last season, but what I do think about it is that it will be very interesting to see who makes the semi-finals because at the moment I haven’t got a clue.
I know it won’t be Jimmy White and I know it won’t be John Higgins, but getting seven or eight into four is going to be tough. If O’Sullivan gets through he will be the man to beat but I’ve had a feeling for Judd Trump to do well in that format so that’s what I think there.
In terms of the UK with a shorter format this year, best of 11’s at an early stage which has diluted it perhaps a little bit but I don’t know, that’s a tough one really. I think we will really find out who is playing well there.
I know that Neil Robertson would like to play well in it because it’s one tournament he has never really achieved an awful lot in isn’t it? I would stick to what I know and I would say that someone like Selby would be tough to beat and that it will be interesting to see how John Higgins plays because like I say he has not had a good season. This will be the real acid test for him as to whether he is able to play to that level or not anymore. I’m sure he is but I would just kind of like to see it right now because of everything that happened last year so they will be the players interesting me.
You don’t want to get too many big shocks and maybe this year there is more chance of that in the UK given that it is a slightly shorter frames, but most of the top players the last 20 years have done well in the UK Championship. I’m not really sure who will win it, but I expect it to be a leading player put it that way.
Thanks to Neal for his time and good luck to him at the upcoming World Seniors Championship which takes between the 5-6 November 2011 in Peterborough.